Can You Be Ambitious and Happy at the Same Time?

GUS: Alright. Welcome to the Growth Trip Podcast. Welcome. I'm Gus. HECTOR: Welcome. I'm Gus. And I'm Hector. GUS: And I'm Hector. And we are two friends trying to figure this podcast thing out. Yeah. Isn't this nice? It's a lot of fun. A lot of fun, man. how you been? How's the week? Even though I see you every single day of my life. We've just spent ten hours at the office. We don't you know we don't communicate a lot though when we're we talk, like we tell stories at lunch and stuff, but there's always HECTOR: Two friends trying to figure this podcast thing out. Yep. Isn't this nice? It's a lot of fun. A lot of fun, man. how you been? How's the week? Even though I see you every single Every single day of my life. We've just spent ten hours at the office. We don't you know, we don't communicate a lot though when we're I mean we talk. We like we tell stories at lunch and stuff, but there's always you know a ton going on. Yeah, it's work work to be done. Work to be done. Yeah, I try to you know, we try to GUS: You know, time going on. Yeah, it's work work to be done. Work to be done. Yeah, I try to you know, we try to interrupt each other at at the worst times, but HECTOR: Yeah. GUS: I think that overall our office is, you know, it's it's the game we're playing, right? Commercial real estate does not stop and everything is a new deal, a new client, a new situation. I don't know if we should intro again, but I would love to say, you know, two friends for over fifteen years. HECTOR: This is you know, it's it's the game we're playing right now. Real estate does not stop and everything is a new deal, a new client, a new situation. Yep. I don't know if we should intro again, but I would love to say, you know, two friends for over fifteen years. Yep. Working in commercial real estate and doing a podcast about learning different topics that we find interesting and we hope that you guys find interesting. That's right. Cool. Yeah. GUS: Working in commercial real estate and doing a podcast about learning different topics that we find interesting and we hope that you guys find interesting too. That's right. Cool, right? Yeah. HECTOR: let's see the week. Let's see, week was good, man. I GUS: let's see the week. Let's see, week was good, man. I HECTOR: we ha we went to that party on over the weekend. Super cool. Our friend Mike DJ'd at the Robinson Room and it was the most packed I've seen the Robinson Room in years, I think. This is what we were saying that one podcast. You remember that episode we were like, yo GUS: Mm-hmm. Super cool. Our friend Mike DJ'd at the Robinson Room. And it was the most packed I've seen the Robinson Room in years, I think. This is what we were saying in that one podcast. You remember that episode? We were like, Yo, why are not we not the guys that are are trying to make this happen? Go ahead. That was crazy. Yeah, yeah. So qu I mean it's if you have a vision or you have an expectation of the place that you live in and you want it to be HECTOR: go ahead. That was Chris. Yeah, yeah. So cool. I mean, it's if you have a vision or you have an expectation of the place that you live in and you want it to be something that it's currently not, and you're looking around waiting for somebody else to do it, you know, chances are that you could be that person to be the change you want to see in the world. And with Mike, you know, he's always had GUS: something that it's currently not. You're looking around waiting for somebody else to do it. You know, chances are that you could be that person to be the change you want to see in the world. I like that. And with Mike, you know, he's always had HECTOR: a vision of being a DJ, setting a vibe. He's very meticulous, meticulous Mike. GUS: a vision of being a DJ, setting a vibe. He's very meticulous, meticulous fun. HECTOR: And to be able to see him start executing and every party that he sets up is bigger and bigger than the last one. it's just been a lot of fun to like help him you know support the the growth, support the experience and it's cool that we can be a part of it. Yeah, I think Mike is GUS: And to be able to see him start executing and every party that he sets up is bigger and bigger than the last one. it's just been a lot of fun to like help him support the the growth, support the experience and it's cool that we can be a part of it. Yeah man, I think Mike is the perfect person to organize and plan and prepare. HECTOR: Mm-hmm and stage, you know, he has the vision. He's the guy to do it. Yep. And I think the social creatures that me and you are, we can not only bring people in but then make sure that everybody's together and having a good time. Yep. And a couple of our friends that showed up. The intern. Yeah, we dude's such a classic story. How is that? GUS: And stage, you know, he has the vision. He's the guy to do it. And I think the social creatures that me and you are, we can not only bring people in, but then make sure that everybody's together and having a good time. Yeah. And a couple of our friends that showed up. The interns. the intern, yeah. Yeah, we invited our intern. We we I don't know. HECTOR: We couldn't have drawn that up if we wanted. Yeah, no. GUS: Yeah, no. I I I found it hilarious. I was walking by with my friends and our interns passed out on the couch and I was like that's that's our that's our intern. That's the future. That's future of the company. Future's bright for this kid. He has glasses on, he's passed out on the couch. and but no, I think a lot of the people that showed up were saying how great it looked. They were saying they've never seen the Robinson like that. HECTOR: passed out on the couch that's that's our intern. That's our interest. It's the future of the future of the company right for this case. Yeah, glasses on. He's passed out on the couch. Yeah. and but no I think a lot of the people that showed up were saying how great it looked. They were saying they've never seen the Robinson like that. That pact. That pact, yeah we have GUS: That packed. Yeah, we had our friend Case Lynn showed up. She she's a DJ as well and she said it was really interesting to see the dynamic of how we set it up. we also had people that I don't I didn't even know. The security guard dabbed me up. He was like, Bro, you guys need to be here all the time, please. Like this is what we need. This is poppin'. The owner said that to Michael at the end. He was like HECTOR: Jason showed up. She she's a DJ as well. She said it was really interesting see the dynamic of how we set it up. we also had people that I don't I didn't even know. The security guard dabbed me up. He was like, Bro, you guys need to be here all the time. Yeah, this is what we need. The owner said that to Michael at the end. He was like, dude, you def like come back, we'll do another one, run it back, whatever you need. Yeah. super cool man. Yeah. He he's planning on the next one to move the DJ booth more towards the center of the dance floor. GUS: do another one, run it back, whatever you need. Yeah. super cool man. Yeah. He he's planning on the next one to move the DJ booth more towards the center of the dance floor so that you can have kind of a behind the DJ booth experience. I don't know, we call maybe like a boiler room. The boiler room, yeah. That's what he wants to do. But I think HECTOR: So that you can have kind of a behind the DJ booth experience. I don't know what he call maybe like a boiler room. The boiler, yeah, that's what he wants to do. But I think GUS: we're we're gonna try to make that happen at the Phoenix, which is apparently the room right next door to the Robinson. It's like a jazz club. And I think that that gives more of a of a vibe for the boiler room theme that they want to do. I also think that that's a good idea in Robinson just because those are the you know the first two couches, like the the two sections that we were in. Yep. those would technically be behind. And I think the owners ownership could charge more if they wanted HECTOR: make that happen at the Phoenix, which is apparently the room right next door to jazz club. And I think that that gives more of a of a vibe for the boiler room theme that they want to do. Yep. I also think that that's a good idea in Robinson just because those are the you know the first two couches, the like the the two sections that we were in. Yep. those would technically be behind. And I think the owners ownership could charge more if they want tool of course have us his group be there. Yeah. It kind of makes it feel more packed behind the DJ. Yeah, yeah. GUS: to or at least have us his group be there. And it kind of makes it feel more packed behind the DJ, you know mean? Yeah, yeah. HECTOR: More of like a a whole party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was cool, man. It was a it was a ton of fun. So sh you know, shout out to Mike for setting that up. Yeah. And you know, for stay tuned for the next one. We'll put it on the on the page. We'll link it to the newsletter. Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah. His name is Zenis. That's that's his DJ name. And he's also the director of operations and our COO. GUS: whole party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a ton of fun. So you know, shout out to Mike for setting that up. Yeah. And, you know, for stay tuned for the next one. We'll put it on the on the page. We'll link it to the yeah newsletter. Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah. His name is Zenis. That's a that's his DJ name. And he's also the director of operations and our COO for Panther. So if we haven't explained that yet, Michael's one of our best friends. HECTOR: For Panther. Yep. So if we haven't explained that yet, Michael is one of our best friends GUS: And also works with us on Panther and also throws the best parties in Orlando. So just stay tuned and we'll hope we hope to keep bringing those those vibes here to Orlando because we man. We freaking need For sure. okay. So I would like to say that this topic that I think we want to both talk about is gonna be a very, very interesting topic because I think a lot of people will HECTOR: and also works with us on Panther and also throws the best parties in Orlando. So just stay tuned and we'll hope we hope to keep bringing those those vibes here to Orlando because we need him. Yeah, for sure. Freaking need him. For sure. okay. So I would like to say that this topic that I think we want to both talk about is gonna be a very, very interesting topic because I think a lot of people will GUS: have an opinion on it and so will we. And so I think it's it's the perfect HECTOR: Mm-hmm. And so will we. Yep. And so I think it's it's the perfect topic for two guys like us specifically on how each of us see it in a in in different points of our lives and how we've seen it as we've grown and and where GUS: topic for two guys like us specifically on how each of us see it in a in in different points of our lives and how we've s seen it as we've grown and and where we're at in life now and where we'll probably see it in the future. you wanna explain kind of what the what the topic is that we're gonna talk about and we can go from there? Yeah, yeah. I mean today we're gonna be talking about the question really is can you be both ambitious and happy at the same time? HECTOR: We'll probably see in the future. you want to explain kind of what the topic is that we're gonna from there? Yeah, yeah. I mean, today we're gonna be talking about you know the question really is can you be both ambitious and happy at the same time? Can you achieve your full ambition and also achieve the level of happiness that you want for your life? So you know, why don't you start? I love it, man. So this is a topic that I feel like I'm GUS: Can you achieve your full ambition and also achieve the level of happiness that you want for your life? Yeah. Why don't you start? I love it, man. So this is a topic that I feel like I've been thinking about f my entire life. HECTOR: Yeah, you have. GUS: I come from a family that is in their own way very ambitious, but none more than my father. My dad's whole story HECTOR: that is in their own way very ambitious, but none more than my father. My dad's whole story. GUS: was the fact that he always wanted more, you know? He grew up in a religious household. HECTOR: was the fact that he always wanted more, you know. He grew up in a religious household. My my grandpa was a pastor. very restrictive. You know, this was the fifties. So you can imagine how how strict a religious household was in the fifties. Yeah. Yeah. And so my dad always wanted more. He's like he he he moved to San Juan from being what we call the island, like which is the countryside. He moved to San Juan and GUS: My my grandpa was a pastor, very restrictive. You know, this was the fifties, so you can imagine how how strict a religious household was in the fifties, you know. And so my dad always wanted more. He's like he he he moved to San Juan from being what we call the island, like which is the countryside. He moved to San Juan and immediately got into the youth party and started meeting people and they all saw his leadership up front and he always said he wanted more, he wanted more. HECTOR: immediately got into the youth party and started meeting people and they all saw his leadership up front and he always said he wanted more, he wanted more. So eventually he became the president of the youth party and then he became an assemblyman in San Juan. And then he ran for Congress and and won twenty years, twenty years in Congress in in San Juan. So that's a man who who won't you know and I think in his perspective he would say that there is no happiness without ambition. GUS: So eventually he became the president of the youth party and then he became an assemblyman in San Juan and then he ran for Congress and and won twenty years, twenty years in Congress in in San Juan. So that's a man who who wanted it, you know. And I think in his perspective, he would say that there is no happiness without ambition. And and he that's the way I was raised. And so that's the way I see it. Sometimes I there could be a way of HECTOR: Wow. And he that's the way I was raised. And so that's the way I see it sometimes. I there could be a way of ambitious people never feeling fulfilled and happy. But then there's the other side of and other people like my dad, who the only way they felt happy was by wanting more and striving for more and and and getting it and then achieving those goals that are. That's a great story, man, by the way, with how your dad GUS: ambitious people never feeling fulfilled and happy. But then there's the other side and other people like my dad who the only way they felt happy was by wanting more and striving for more and and and getting it and and achieving those those goals that they they set up. HECTOR: ran for local government and worked his way up and the things that he did. GUS: That he did. Yeah, I mean I I'm always fascinated by how he used to literally go door to door without the guarantee of the next thing happening and you know, just full faith in himself to to succeed and ultimately he did by like a very thin margin. the craziest yeah, that's a crazy story. HECTOR: Yeah, I mean I I o I'm always fascinated by how he used to literally go door to door without the guarantee of the next thing happening and, you know, just full faith in himself to to succeed and ultimately he did by like a very thin margin. the craziest yeah, that's a crazy story. GUS: My dad, his first vote, the the radio announcer came on and everybody was like, Quiet, quiet, quiet. And the announcer was like, and we have the votes? Benji HECTOR: We have the votes. Benji Benjamin Benji Belez has won by thirty three hundred votes and everybody's like yeah. And like two minutes later he came back on the radio and he's like, sorry guys, I have to apologize. Benji did win, but he won by like thirty-three votes, not thirty three hundred. Wow still counts. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, and he beat the incumbent as a as someone that's not from San Juan. GUS: Benjamin Benji Velez has won by 3300 votes. And everybody's like, yeah. And like two minutes later, he came back on the radio and he's like, I'm sorry, guys, I have to apologize. Benji did win, but he won by like 33 votes, not 3300. That was a misreading. And my dad's like, my dad, my dad said it felt like 33,000. You know what I mean? Yeah, and he beat the incumbent as a as someone that's not from San Juan. And he did it by literally showing up door to door, knocking on the doors, saying, Hey, I'm Benji. HECTOR: And he did it by literally showing up door to door, knocking on the doors, saying, Hey, I'm Benji. tell me where your problems are. He and you don't heck, we're in sales right now, sort of. Yeah. Door to door sales is crazy. Like we we do call calling and call calling is pretty hard. Door to door sales is even crazier. But imagine door to door selling yourself. Yeah, yeah, that's insane. Like you're GUS: Tell what your problems are. Heck, we're in sales right now, sort of. Yeah. Door to door sales is crazy. Like we we do call calling, and cold calling is pretty hard. Door to door sales is even crazier. But imagine door to door selling yourself. Yeah, yeah, that's insane. Like you're and listening and really listening. And that's something that that's a skill that he always told me to have. He remembers people's names, sons, daughters, families. Doesn't forget. We'll never forget. He'll walk by. HECTOR: And listening and really listening. And that's something that that's a skill that he always told me to have. He remembers people's names, sons, daughters, families. Doesn't forget. We'll never forget. Yeah, what a skill. Yeah, it's like he'll walk he's walking on the in the mall and he's like, look, that's that's Brian. Yeah, his his kid was in in medical school back when I was over there. I wonder if I you He's probably like thirty four now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like what? GUS: Yeah, it's like you'll walk he's walking on the in the mall and he's like, look, that's that's Brian. Yeah, his his kid was i in medical school back when I was over there. I wonder how you know and it's like thirty four now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's like what? I s he made he's like, I make it I made it a point to remember. Wow. And that's something that people say, I'm not good at remembering names and story. I'm like, it's cause you're not really trying. Yeah, you have to try. You have to try. Yeah. So that's just what I grew up in and that's my perspective on ambition. And I think I took that HECTOR: That's he made he's like I make it I made it a point to remember. Wow. And that's something that people say I'm not good remembering names and story. I'm like, it's cause you're not really trying. You don't yeah, you have to try, yeah. You have to try. Yeah. So that's just what I grew up in and that's my perspective on ambition. And I think I took that I GUS: I I I maybe d downsize a little bit on the on the intensity of the ambition that you need to have. you have to be very ambitious to be able to do that, to put yourself HECTOR: I I maybe downsized a little bit on on the intensity of the ambition that you need to have. you have to be very ambitious to be able to do that, to put yourself. GUS: Yeah man on the in front of that many people, to petition all of your skills and you know, remember what people actually want out of you and what you're trying to achieve, dude. That requires a very high level of ambition. HECTOR: you know, on the in front of that many people to petition all of your skills and, you know, remember what people actually want out of you and what you're trying to achieve, dude, that requires a very high level of ambition. GUS: very high level dude and not only door to door but imagine when they did rallies for him and the party like sponsored a rally for him on like a street plaza and there's like a hundred people to three hundred people and they give you the and here's Benji, he's gonna tell you why you should vote for him. Even then dude with that I think it's almost even amplified. Like you have to amplify your level of ambition because people believe in you now. So like you have to believe in yourself even more. Even more to kind of push that ideology forward. It's almost like HECTOR: sponsor a rally on like a street plaza and there's like a hundred people, three hundred people and they give you and here's Benji, tell you why you should vote for him. Even that, dude, with that, I think it's almost even amplified. Like you have to amplify your level of ambition because people believe in you now. So like you have to believe in yourself even more to kind of push that ideology forward. And it's almost like you're put on this pedestal and now you're this like character GUS: You're put on this pedestal and now you're this like character that's now even more ambitious because you know you have this entire foundation of people that you know want you to succeed. Yeah, dude. I asked my dad once, I was like, Do you did you ever suffer from imposter syndrome? Mm-hmm. And my dad's Yeah, and my dad was like, which imposter syndrome for you know, for those that might not know, it's it just basically means that you're you're feeling like you're not adequate or good as good as other people think you are HECTOR: That's now even more ambitious because, you know, you have this entire foundation of people that, you know, want you to succeed. Yeah, dude. I asked my dad was like, Do you did you ever suffer from imposter syndrome? Hmm. And my Wow. Yeah, and my dad was like, which imposter syndrome for you know, for those that might not know, it's it just basically means that you're you're feeling like you're not adequate or good as good as other people think you are. GUS: or as good as you're supposed to. HECTOR: as good as you're supposed GUS: to be and I think that when I asked my dad that question he was like absolutely not I knew I was he was like I I knew I was better than people thought and I knew I was better than what the position was that I was gonna be in and so he was like and if you don't and he told me if you don't believe that way there you're not you're gonna give up as soon as as soon as it gets hard because it's gonna get really hard and he ran against the incumbent the governor the mayor of San Juan everybody sponsored the other guy HECTOR: to be. And I think that when I asked my dad that question, he was like, absolutely not. I knew really he was like, I I knew I was better than people thought. I knew I was better than what the position was that I was going to be in. And so he was like, and if you don't and he told me if you don't believe that way, there you're not, you're gonna give up as soon as as soon as it gets hard. Because it's gonna get really hard. And he ran against the incumbent, the governor, the mayor of San Juan, everybody sponsored the other guy. GUS: so he was going against and nobody believed in him in in a sense except HECTOR: Wow. He was going against it. And nobody in him in in a sense except the people. Those are GUS: The people and those are the people that voted for. You it's interesting. I was gonna say that I think we all need to experience some degree of imposter syndrome at some point in our lives because you know, when you're growing and you're doing new things for the first time, like you're not automatically going to know how to behave or how to conduct yourself when you first get into that new room or that new space. So like I've experienced imposter syndrome my whole life, but used it as a HECTOR: the people that for him. You know, it's interesting. I was gonna say that I think we all need to experience some degree of imposter syndrome at some point in our lives because, you know, when you're growing and you're doing new things for the first time, like you're not automatically going to know how to behave or how to conduct yourself when you first get into that new room or that new space. So like I've experienced imposter syndrome my whole life, but I've used it as a GUS: as a a mechanism to push myself. HECTOR: as a mechanism to push myself to show up and show out when I when I get that opportunity. But that's interesting. He was like, nah, I don't feel that. Nah I don't feel that. Yeah. It's funny because the stoic man. I think my dad also, you know, once you're so successful for so long and you probably glorify your beginning times a little bit. And I'm not saying that he's doing that, but I could see you being successful for so long and that when you look back at your at the tough times, you're it's they're a lot smoother than they probably were. GUS: to show up and show out when I when I get that opportunity. Yeah. That's interesting. He was like, nah. No. I don't feel that. No, I don't feel that. Yeah, it's funny because as in I think my dad also, you know, once you're so successful for so long, you probably glorify your beginning times a little bit. And I'm not saying that he's doing that, but I could see you being successful for so long and then when you look back at your at the tough times, you're it's they're a lot smoother than they probably were. You know what I mean? He's like, Yeah, I worked hard but I did it and I got it through. HECTOR: You what I He's yeah, yeah. I worked hard but I did and I got it through. But when you're in that moment, when you're him at twenty seven years old trying to run for politics, it was probably a lot more stressful that he remembers I'm I'm assuming, yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. For sure. I mean you always have to have that like story arch in your brain too, of like, this was the hard the hardship that I overcame. Yeah, you know, that plot. What's your plot? What's your plot? Yeah. Yeah, hindsight, I guess I guess GUS: But when you're in that moment, when you're him at twenty seven years old trying to run for politics, it was probably a lot more stressful than he remembers. I'm I'm assuming. I don't know. Yeah. You know. No, for sure. For sure. I mean you always have to have that like story arch in your brain too of like, this was the hard the hardship that overcame. Yeah. That plot. What's your plot? What's your plot? Yeah. Yeah, hindsight, I guess I guess at that point. But yeah, I think I think in my perspective and you know, and and you're gonna tell me yours, but I do think that HECTOR: Yeah, I think I think in my perspective and you know and and you're gonna tell me yours, but I do think that and I've told you this many times and this is the formula that I'm kind of working on on creating for myself, you have to find the perfect balance between ambition and gratitude. I think that a lot of ambitious people sometimes forget to be grateful for what they already have. GUS: And I've told you this many times, and this is the formula that I'm kind of working on on creating for myself. You have to find the perfect balance between ambition and gratitude. I think that a lot of ambitious people sometimes forget to be grateful for what they already have. And the the the present moment is the best way to really sit down with yourself and say, Yes, I want more. HECTOR: And the the the present moment is the best way to really sit down with yourself and say, Yes, I want more, but wow, look at everything I have. I have my family, I have my health. I'm the youngest I'll ever be right now. You know what I mean? And so those are all things to be grateful for. If you have nothing else, at least be grateful that this is the youngest you'll ever gonna be. And so I think that that balance is very hard for ambitious people to GUS: But wow, look at everything I have. I have my family, I have my health. I'm the youngest I'll ever be right now. You know what I mean? And so those are all things to be grateful for. If you have nothing else, at least be grateful that this is the youngest you'll ever gonna be. And so I think that that balance is very hard for ambitious people to to kind of follow. I also think that too much gratitude might keep you in a comfortable zone. And so that's why the balance is is unique because you need to want more in your life. HECTOR: to kind of follow. I also think that too much gratitude might keep you in a comfortable zone. Yeah. And so that's why the balance is is unique because you need to want more in your life, but you also need to be grateful for what you have. Yeah, man. Wow. Well said, I I I fully agree. Yeah. I think though going back to when you were talking about how you were raised, I think my story was actually very different. my mom was the exact opposite. GUS: But you also need to be grateful for what you have. Yeah, man. Wow. Well said, I I I fully agree. Yeah. I think though going back to when you were talking about how you were raised, I think my story was actually very different. my mom was the exact opposite. You know, growing up with my mom, it was always like almost ambition was almost seen as a a negative thing. To be ambitious is like a bad thing because it means you you will do whatever you HECTOR: You know, growing up with my mom, it was always like almost ambition was almost seen as a a negative thing. Like to be ambitious is like a bad thing because it means you you will do whatever you can to get to where you want to go, even if it means putting other people down. And so that was kind of like I don't know, I don't know if that comes from the Bible and they warn of ambition. You know, that it's probably yeah, that's probably where, you know, she was trying to preach that to me growing up, like manage your ambition, manage your, you know, what you wanna do, but always like never in a GUS: can to get to where you want to go even if it means putting other people down. And so that was kind of like, I don't know, I don't know if that comes from the Bible and they've warned of it Yeah, religion. Yeah religion, yeah. Yeah, that it's probably yeah, that's probably where you know she was trying to preach that to me growing up, like manage your ambition, manage your you know what you want to do, but always like never in a kind of don't don't have self-belief in the things that you want to achieve. Right. So it was never kind of HECTOR: kind of don't don't have self-belief in the things that you want to achieve. Right. So it was never kind of it was almost like a cautionary tale of like be careful with ambition because it could take you to places where you don't want to go and it'll it'll you can hurt people that you don't really want to hurt. So it's very opposite. It's funny to hear kind of like your upbringing. for me it was always be very grate grateful for what you have and kind of experience the other side of of that gratitude. But GUS: It was almost like a cautionary tale of like be careful with ambition because it can take you to places where you don't wanna go and it'll it'll you can hurt people that you don't really wanna hurt. So but very opposite. It's funny to hear kind of like your upbringing. Yeah. for me it was always be very grate grateful for what you have and kind of experience the other side of of that gratitude, but HECTOR: My mom's a also a very conservative, risk averse person. If I listened to my mom, I'd never, you know, I'd probably be working at a at a company and taking a salary and that'd be great, but I wouldn't be able to achieve like the full thing that I want to achieve in my life. So I've always been a very ambitious person and my word and my baccalaureate speech was literally about ambition. and always wanting to do more for yourself. Not wanting more, like not GUS: My mom's a also a very conservative, risk averse person. If I listen to my mom, I'd never, you know, I'd probably be working at a at a company and taking a salary and that'd be great. But I wouldn't be able to achieve like the full thing that I want to achieve my life. So I've always been a very ambitious person and my work and my baccalaureate speech was literally about ambition. and always wanting to do more for yourself. Not wanting more, like not HECTOR: material things or like material possessions, but always GUS: material things or like material possessions, but always I think in my head it was always like, I wanna be a better me tomorrow. HECTOR: I think in my head it was always like, I want to be a better me tomorrow. And every day that passes by, every year that passes by, I want to think about the Hector from three years ago and be like, that guy would, you know, is nothing to what I am today. Like I'm I'm smarter, I'm more developed, I have better relationships, I I I'm I'm a humble person. I care about the people around me. Things like that. Like I wanna be a better me every year, every day. and that's what I meant with GUS: And every day that passes by, every year that passes by, I want to think about the Hector from three years ago and be like, that guy, you know, is nothing to what I am today. Like I'm I'm smarter, I'm more developed, I have better relationships, I I I'm I'm a humble person, I care about the people around me, things like that. Like I want to be a better me every year, every day. and that's what I meant with ambition, definitely the definition I have for ambition today. so can you have HECTOR: ambition will definitely the definition I have for ambition today. so can you have can you be ambitious and achieve happiness? I would say I would say yes, but it just like anything, it's always a balance. And so like you said, like being grateful for the things that you have and being ambitious about the right things that are really meaningful to GUS: Can you be ambitious and achieve happiness? I would say I would say yes, but just like anything, it's always a balance. And so, like you said, like being grateful for the things that you have and being ambitious about the right things that are really meaningful to a successful life in the in the sense of you know your health, your relationships. HECTOR: a successful life in the in the sense of, you know, your health, your relationships, your mental state, your physical state. Like w be ambitious about those things and your life will inherently bring you happiness. I I believe. Yeah, I agree. I think your ambition should add to your life, not take away. And sometimes I think someone's ambition towards a specific goal takes away from a lot of the other good stuff that you they have in their life, whether that's normal. GUS: your mental state, your physical state. Like w be ambitious about those things and your life will inherently bring you happiness. I I believe. Yeah, I agree. I think your ambition should add to your life, not take away. And sometimes I think someone's ambition towards a specific goal takes away from a lot of the other good stuff that you they have in their life, whether that's family, whether that's health, you know, whether that's HECTOR: Whether that's health, you know, whether that's mental clarity or mental peace. Yeah. And so it's funny. I'll actually I'll I'll go back to your baccalaureate speech. Mm-hmm. the week of Hector's preparing for his baccalaureate speech, he came to my house like three times and I helped him with the speech and rehearsed it and him 'cause we have in baccalaureate if you for those of you who don't know, they give you a large word for the senior classes. Well that you that's also very that's a different setup. GUS: mental clarity or mental peace. And so it's funny. I'll actually I'll I'll go back to your baccalaureate speech. the week of Hector's preparing for his baccalaureate speech. He came to my house like three times and I helped him with the speech and rehearsed it and him 'cause we have the in Baccalaureate if you for those of you don't know, they give you a large word for the senior class and they s you that's also very that's a different setup. What do you mean? Like I think baccalaureate was traditionally like a religious HECTOR: Like I think baccalaureate was traditionally like a religious GUS: Yeah. Kind of thing. Our spin was like for our class to choose a word. Yeah. And then that word is broken down into its consistent every letters. Every letter, yeah. Yeah. And then you choose a letter and that letter stands for another word. Right. Right. So yeah, I think Miss James, who was in charge of like student government, she chose people who represented the senior class. Well, he did it his senior year and then I did it my senior year. and so at least for my senior year, mm the HECTOR: kind of thing and our spin was like for our class to choose a word. Yeah. And then that word is broken down into its constituent letters. Every letter, yeah. Yeah. And then you choose a letter and then that letter stands for another word. Right. Yeah. Right. So yeah, I think Miss James who was in charge of like student government, she chose people who represented the senior class well. He did it his senior year and then I did it my senior year. and so at least for my senior year the GUS: the word that we chose for our graduating class was insurmountable. HECTOR: the word that we chose for our graduating class was insurmountable. And I got that letter L from the word and I chose leadership and I just I talked about what it was like to be a leader. and I think my quote for was from Ronald Reagan and it said, leaders aren't necessarily the ones that do the greatest things, but rather the ones that get others to do the greatest things. And I love that. I love that quote because that's that's kind of what I wanted to see in myself. It's like GUS: And I got the letter L from the word and I chose leadership and I just I talked about what it was like to be a leader. and I think my quote for was from Ronald Reagan and it said, leaders aren't necessarily the ones that do the greatest things, but rather the ones that get others to do the greatest things. And I love that. I love that quote because that's that's kind of what I wanted to see in myself. It's like, yeah, I I I had an ego back then and I wanted to be the best. But then as I've grown older, I've realized that HECTOR: Yeah, I I had an ego back then and I wanted to be the best. But then as I've grown older I've realized that that quote means much more to me because now I feel like I w I wanna see everybody do really, really good as as good as they can. And but Hector's and I remember it specifically because I helped him with the with the quote, your quote well, your word was ambitious. I don't know what your senior word was. GUS: that quote means much more to me because now I feel like I w I wanna see everybody do really, really good as as good as they can, you know. And but Hector's and I remember specifically because I helped him with the with the quote, your quote what your word was ambitious. I don't know what your senior word was. HECTOR: I think it was GUS: Think it was HECTOR: man. It's all right. GUS: It's all right. He got the letter A and he chose ambition, which is perfect for him. And his quote was For as long as I am breathing, I am only just beginning. HECTOR: He got the letter A and he chose ambition, which perfect for him. And his quote was for as long as I'm breathing, I'm only just beginning. Were we just talking about that? It's you're like on your deathbed. I'm just getting started. But but we're almost there. Yeah, yeah. Well wait, I think you know, I I I love that quote, but obviously we were so young. GUS: Yeah. You're like on your deathbed. On your deathbed. I'm still I'm just I'm just gonna do this. You're on your deathbed, you're like this you're still ambitious as fuck. I'm not there yet. I can't go now. I think you know, I I I love that quote, but obviously we were so young, you know, we're we're saying that, but I think it still stems from that idea, that notion that you can still be a better person tomorrow. Like no matter what you've done, where you come from HECTOR: You know, we're we're saying that, but I think it still stems from that idea, that notion that you can still be a better person tomorrow. Like no matter what you've done, where you come from, who you are, if you develop the skills or yourself or whatever, you can be a better version of yourself tomorrow. And I think I've always had that belief. I think anybody can be whatever it is that they want to be. you just have to try. Right. And I think that that's the healthy way of ambition. So that's Yeah. That's what we're trying to say here. I think ultimately GUS: If you develop the skills or yourself or whatever, you can be a better version of yourself tomorrow. Right. I think I've always had that belief. I think anybody can be whatever it is that they want to be. you just have to try. Right. And I think that that's the healthy way of ambition. So that's yeah. That's what we're trying to say here. I think ultimately we're s we see ambition in in different ways and it probably stems from our upbringing. It's necessary. HECTOR: We're s we see ambition in in different ways and probably stems from our upbringing. It's necessary. But I think it's necessary, yeah. And I think and I think that there's a healthy way to be ambitious and there's an unhealthy way to be ambitious. And I think that that's what we're saying as far as using it with happiness. It's you have to be able to say ambition for me is to be better be a better person tomorrow than I was today. Yeah. Not I'm gonna achieve this goal by any means necessary and it doesn't matter if I hurt or GUS: But I think it's necessary, yeah. And I think and I think that there's a healthy way to be ambitious and there's an unhealthy way to be ambitious. And I think that that's what we're saying as far as using it with happiness. It's you have to be able to say ambition for me is to be better be a better person tomorrow than I was today. Yeah. Not I'm gonna achieve this goal by any means necessary and it doesn't matter if I hurt or destroy on along the way. That's that's the unhealthy way. It should be definitely on HECTOR: destroyed along the way. Yeah. That's that's the unhealthy life. It should be definitely founded on on principles. Yeah. You know, core values that you have for yourself. And so if you have, you know, like a healthy ambition should be you setting up the life that you want in your brain. And that that life is set up around things that genuinely make you happy. So that's the interconnectedness of the two. So if you have, for example, I had a life vision that I've told you about that I wrote GUS: Principles. Yeah. You know, core values that you have for yourself. So if you have, you know, like a healthy ambition should be you setting up the life that you want in your brain. And that that life is set up around things that genuinely make you happy. So that's the interconnectedness of the two. So if you have, for example, I had a life vision that I've told you about that I wrote, you know, way before I started real estate when I was, you know, still HECTOR: You know, way before I started real estate when I was, you know, still GUS: and doing my MBA and I was, you know, drop commuting an hour to and from work. So when when you have all that time, you have to like try to fill it with productive things. So I would I would start developing this life vision. And that life vision was about the type of job that I had, how I showed up to work, who I would spend my time with on the weekends, what my lifestyle looked like, what HECTOR: doing my MBA and I was, you know, drop commuting an hour to and from work. So when when you have all that time, you have to like try to fill it with productive things. So I would I would start developing this life vision. And that life vision was about the type of job that I had, how I showed up to work, who I would spend my time with on the weekends, what my lifestyle looked like, what GUS: kind of impact I was having in the world around me. HECTOR: kind of impact I was having in the world around me, what kind of impact I was having on my friends, what kind of son I was, what kind of brother I was, what kind of cousin I was. And all of those things, like thinking about them, made me happy, but it was ambition that would want me to kind of not idolize these things, but like try to visualize them to push myself, to use that ambition to drive myself to be where it is that I want to be in life. GUS: kind of impact I was having on my friends, what kind of son I was, what kind of brother I was, what kind of cousin I was. And all of those things, like thinking about them, made me happy, but it was ambition that would want me to kind of not idolize these things, but like try to visualize them to push myself, to use that ambition to drive myself to be where it is that I want to be in life. I think that's a healthy use of ambition. It's like be ambitious about wanting HECTOR: I think that's a healthy use of ambition. It's like be ambitious about wanting the very best that you can in like the top healthy aspects of your life. Relationships, you know, financial well-being, your spirituality, your health, your mental status, like find ways to be ambitious about those things, and then you'll find happiness within that. GUS: the very best that you can in like the top healthy aspects of your life. Relationships, you know, financial well being, your spirituality, your health, your mental status, like find ways to be ambitious about those things and then you'll find happiness within that. S so are you are you happy right now? Mm. Would you say you're happy? No. HECTOR: Hmm. You say you're happy? No. No, I'm just kidding. Hell no. no, dude, I GUS: No, just you. No. Wha why would you why would you even No do I HECTOR: I actually I think I'm very happy. Like I'm I'm very happy and I'm very grateful. I I still have a life vision that I continue to update. So that goalpost always changes slightly. which again is still having ambition, but it's I you know, as I grow older, I think the the things on that list change. GUS: very happy and I'm very grateful. I I still have a life vision that I continue to update. So that goalpost always changes slightly. which again is still having ambition. But it's I you know, as I grow older I think the the things on that list change HECTOR: And they are more for the things that I'm telling you now, like a a a healthier ambition about the things that I want to achieve in life and the impact that I want to leave behind. GUS: and they are more for the things that I'm telling you now. Like a a a healthier ambition about the things that I want to achieve in life and the impact that I want to leave behind. Yeah. HECTOR: so am I happy? Yes, I'm happy. I get to go to work with people that I love and you know, in in a job where I can truly make an impact. I get to sit down and this is, you know, I don't see this as work, but it's you know, it's with my best friend. We get to chat about interesting life topics and you know. GUS: So am I happy? Yes, I'm happy. I get to go to work with people that I love and you know, in in a job where I can truly make an impact. I get to sit down and this is, you know, I don't see this as work, but it's you know, it's with my best friend. We get to chat about interesting life topics and you know, HECTOR: what makes life interesting and how we can be better men. And I travel, I have a lovely girlfriend, a lovely place to live. I mean, GUS: what makes life interesting and how we can be better men. And I travel. I have a lovely girlfriend, a lovely place to live. I mean HECTOR: beautiful family. I mean I could I could go all day. I'm very happy, man. And the life vision, to let you know, I I'm damn near close to all the things I did visualize years ago. And so I have to adjust that goalpost. Absolutely. Yeah. GUS: beautiful family. I I could I could go all day. I'm very happy, man. Cool. And the life vision, to let you know, I I'm damn near close to all the things I did visualize years ago. And so I have to adjust that goal post. Absolutely. Yeah, I agree. I think it's funny 'cause it sometimes we have to be okay with the fact that the goalpost keeps moving. I think that whenever you achieve everything you set out to do, if you don't have another goalpost, it just kind of feels like that's it. HECTOR: It's funny because sometimes we have to be okay with the fact that the goalposts keeps moving. I think that whenever you achieve everything that you set out to do, if you don't have another goalpost, it just kind of feels like that's it. You get this feeling, this this dread of okay, now I have it. I mean you're also a very goal oriented person. Right. Yeah. And that's and that's why I think it's so hard for me to GUS: You get this feeling, this this dread of okay, now I have it. Now I mean you're also a very goal oriented person. Right. Right. And that's and that's why I think it's so hard for me to like comprehend the fact that in life it's okay to never hit the goalpost, you know what I mean? HECTOR: Comprehend the fact that in life it's okay to never hit the goalpost. You know what I mean? All right. Are you happy? GUS: Am I happy? I've been trying to figure that out for a while now, man. I think I am I am happy and very grateful. I think gratitude has been the one thing I've worked on the last two years of my life. And I think that I've become very grateful. I I pray HECTOR: been trying to figure that out for a while now and I think I am I am happy and very grateful. I think gratitude has been the one thing I've worked on the last two years of my life. Yep. And I think that I've become very grateful. I I pray GUS: I've prayed more in the last two years than I have my entire life. I pray every night and I say I start my prayer every day with the same HECTOR: I've prayed more in the last two years than I have my entire life. Wow. I pray every night and I say I start my prayer every day with the same the same couple sentences. I'm thankful for everything I have, thankful for my family, thankful for my friends, thankful for the job, thankful for my house, for my dog Rose. and all I ask God is to give me the health and the strength to keep going. Wow. And I'll take care of the rest, you know? GUS: the same couple sentences. I'm thankful for everything I have, thankful for my family, thankful for my friends, thankful for the job, thankful for my house, for my dog, Rose. and all I ask God is to give me the health and the strength to keep going. Wow. And I'll take care of the rest, you know? but that gratitude has really brought me to understand what happiness HECTOR: But that gratitude has really brought me to understand what happiness technically is. And I've read many, many, many articles on happiness. And I actually follow Arthur Brooks. Arthur Brooks is the hardware professor that has a class on happy. He's like the main doctor or the main researcher on happiness. And I think it was him or in one of his podcasts or or with a guest where he talks about the fact that sometimes people have to understand that happiness is an emotion. And you can be happy one second and not the other. So maybe happiness isn't the the absolute goal. GUS: technically isn't I've read many, many, many articles on happiness and I actually follow Arthur Brooks. Arthur Brooks is the Harvard professor that has a class on happy. He's like the main doctor or the main researcher on happiness. And I think it was him or in one of his podcasts or or with a guest where he talks about the fact that sometimes people have to understand that happiness is an emotion and you can be happy one second and not the other. So maybe happiness isn't the the absolute goal. Maybe HECTOR: Maybe purposes. Because if you have purpose in life, GUS: purposes. Because if you have purpose in life whether you're happy that day or sad, you know what I mean, you still have the reason to keep going. Yeah. Something to get in the morning. Something to get up in the morning. And that's where I think I am in life right now. I think I'm happy with a lot of things. I'm not so happy with others. But I'm figuring out my purpose in life. And I think that that's what keeps me going. That's awesome, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's not to say though, HECTOR: whether you're happy that day or sad, you know what I mean, you still have the reason to keep going. Yeah. Something to get up in the morning. Something to get up in the morning. And that's where I think I am in life right now. I think I'm happy with a lot of things. not so happy with others. But I'm figuring on my purpose in life. And I think that that's what keeps me going. That's awesome, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's not to say though GUS: that like when you do set up these life visions HECTOR: that like when you do set up these life visions or that goalpost, it's not to say that you know you're unhappy today on that journey like 'cause it's all part of the journey too. So like even when I was developing this life vision, I think back to how I felt then and I think I was still extremely happy. Dude, I'm I try to be a very joyous and positive person. I think it's the best way to live life. GUS: that goalpost. It's not to say that you know you're unhappy today. on that journey like 'cause it's all part of the journey. Right. Too so like even when I was developing this life vision, I think back to how I felt then. And I think I was still extremely happy too. I try to be a very joyous and positive person. I think it's the best way to live life. through optimism and a good HECTOR: through optimism and a good you know, a good personality to a fault. Yeah, yeah. It's funny, I've known Hector I think it's been seventeen years, I'm gonna say seventeen. Dude, you have not changed, your personality hasn't changed a bit, and everybody that talks to you, hasn't seen you in years, comes back to talks to you, they're like Hector d I I think it was our friend Roman who told us dude, that boy Hector always makes me feel so good when I'm GUS: To a fault, Hack. This man hack this man hack be smiling. He just smile he's just he's always been this it's funny, I've known Hector I think it's been seventeen years. I'm gonna say seventeen. Dude, you have not changed, your personality hasn't changed a bit. And everybody that talks to you, hasn't seen you in years, comes back to talks to you. They're like, Hector d I think it was our friend Roman who told us Dude, that boy Hector always makes me feel so good when I've known with him. He just hides me up. He's just always such a good person to be around. And I'm like, Yeah, it is Exactly. And so HECTOR: Rob is a cool dude, yeah. Exactly. So it's funny that you said that I was I'm watching the show called Your Friends and Neighbors, and I'm not gonna spoil it for anybody. Sure. I wanna watch it, so sure. Okay, so there's a scene that they're talking to each other and they were like, Was he happy? Whoever the person is, I'm not gonna spoil the character. Sure. Was he happy? And was he happy with his life? And she was like GUS: It's funny that you said that I was I'm watching the show called Your Friends and Neighbors. And I'm not gonna spoil it for anybody. But there's a side watch it, so there's a scene that they're talking to each other and they were like, Was he happy? Whoever the person is, I'm not gonna spoil the character, but it was he happy and was he happy with his life? And she was like, Well, he was just a happy person in general, and I think what he did was just try to find HECTOR: Well, he was just a happy person in general. And I think what he did was just trying to find different things to be happy for. So he was already naturally, and that's why I think about you. And sometimes I think about myself. I'm already a positive and happy person. It's just what am I gonna be happy about that day? That's what changes. Yeah. So if it's GUS: Different things to be happy for. So he was already naturally, and that's why I think about you. And sometimes I think about myself. I'm already a positive and happy person. It's just what am I gonna be happy about that day? That's what changes. You see what I mean? So if it's a basketball game I'm watching, I'm happy that I'm watching it. The next morning, if it's this podcast I listen to, I'm happy that I listen to it. You know what I mean? And so, but I think naturally I'm already a happy person. And that could we can go into like the biochemistry of people because there are a lot of people who HECTOR: basketball game I'm watching, I'm happy that I'm watching it. The next morning, if it's this podcast I listen to, I'm happy that I listen to it. You know what I Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I think naturally I'm already a happy person. And that could we can go into like the biochemistry of people because there are a lot of people who GUS: W now we know with modern modern research, we do know that there's a biochemical situation going on in people's brains that doesn't allow you to see the other side of of of a good thing or a bad thing because your your levels are just HECTOR: now we know with modern modern research, we do know that there's a biochemical situation going on in people's brains that doesn't allow you to see the other side of of of a good thing or a bad thing. Because your your levels are just not Not a balance. Not in balance, exactly. Yeah. And so a lot of times like, that's just like a sad person. He's just so negative and stuff. Well, now we know there has to be something going on biochemically that affects him way more than just GUS: not in balance, exactly. And so a lot of times like, that's just like a sad person. He's just so negative and stuff. Well now we know there has to be something going on biochemically that affects him way more than just HECTOR: get motivated. Come on, get up, get up. Yeah, yeah. You know, why are you so I think that that now we know that that's not the easiest way to do it. It's actually that's really funny you say that because GUS: Get motivated. Come on. Get up. Get up. You you know, why are you so sad? Don't be sad. Yeah. I think that that now we know that that's not the easiest way to do it. It's actually that's really funny you say that because HECTOR: you know, I like when I watch TV, I try to watch or I I find things that are a bit more dramatic. GUS: Things that are a bit more dramatic, sometimes even melancholic, very entertaining. Really? Yes. I can't. And what's funny is Delaney would always tell me, Why are you this is so sad? Why are you watching this? And I'm like, I don't know. Like I just I find it intr entertaining. And for her, she's like, I couldn't watch it. Like she wants to watch very like HECTOR: sometimes even melancholic, very entertaining. Really? Yes. And what's funny is Delaney would always so she's like, why are you why this is so sad. Why are you watching this? And I'm like, I don't know. Like I just I find it intr entertaining. And for her, she's like, I couldn't watch it. Like she wants to watch very like jovial and funny light shows because they just that that's what makes her feel good. And she's like, I think you're just so positive that you want to watch like GUS: jovial and funny light shows because they just that that's what makes you feel good. And she's like, I think you're just so positive that you want to watch like and feel that other side of your brain more often. Yeah. That's actually a really good point. Yeah. Like exploring that underexplored feeling. Not saying I'm I don't get sad, but I'm just I'm saying like is there a reason why some of us find certain things more entertaining? HECTOR: And feel that other side of your brain more often. And I was like, that's actually a really good point. Yeah. Like exploring that underexplored feeling. Not saying I'm I don't get sad, but I'm just I'm saying like, is there a reason why some of us find certain things more entertaining? Because it's just naturally the thing that we don't explore ourselves as often. Yeah, that's true. I yeah, maybe it's like the way that GUS: Because it's just naturally the thing that we don't explore ourselves very often. Yeah, that's true. I yeah, maybe it's like the way that like a very positive person is okay with watching something sad because, you know, it's an unexplored feeling. And maybe someone who's tends to lean to the more sad or negative side in their brain naturally, they don't want to keep stacking up on that. You know what I mean? They might get way too sad. Yeah. So that makes sense. I I I That was just to your point on like the physiological HECTOR: sad because you know it's an unexplored feeling and maybe someone who's tends to lean to the more sad or negative side in their brain naturally they don't want to keep stacking up on that you know if I get way too sad. Yeah. So that makes sense. I I I That was just to your point on like the physiological imbalance of emotions. I get it man I I am someone that does not like watching sad stuff. Really? Dude I for like 10 years of my life and I just started like maybe like five years ago GUS: Yeah. I I get it, man. I I am someone that does not like watching sad stuff. Really? Dude, I for like ten years of my life and I just started like maybe like five years ago going back to it, realizing that I love it, I could not watch a war movie to save my life. dude. Saving Private Ryan, Dunkirk, eight nineteen eighteen or whatever. Dude, I they are no, and now that I now now that I'm able to control the feeling like now I'm okay with experiencing those emotions. HECTOR: Going back to it, realizing that I love it, I could not watch a war movie to save my life. Really? dude. Saving Private Ryan. Kirk, a 1918. Amazing fact. And now that I'm the top three. Now that I'm able to control the feeling, like now I'm okay with experiencing those emotions. When I was a kid, I would do my absolute best to never experience sadness, even if it was through movies. Yeah. And so GUS: When I was a kid, I would do my absolute best to never experience sadness, even if it was through a movie. And so if it made me sad, I wouldn't watch it. Marley and me, never. Couldn't I couldn't. That could not anything with dogs or animals, hell no. I would just avoid it. I would just watch Ace Ventura or Dumb and Dumber. That's good stuff. Yeah, very stuff. It's amazing stuff here. Yeah, yeah. But I I I maybe that's just something HECTOR: If it made me sad, I wouldn't watch it. Marley and me, never. Couldn't I couldn't. That could not with dogs or animals. Yeah, yeah. Hell no. I would just avoid it. I would just watch the enjoy or dumb and dumb. Yeah, very light, yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing stuff too, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I I maybe that's just something GUS: that that comes with with the time and sometimes you gotta have a good cry. HECTOR: Sometimes you gotta have a good cry, you know? Dude, I feel I feel like yeah. Marley or me, you're ballin'. Don't you? don't don't you just it's monthly monthly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Weekly's too much dude. Yeah, whenever I see him stressed, I'm like, have you cried this month? And Hike I have to fill up my yeah. GUS: Dude, I feel I feel like yeah, I you know dude, it's funny because I tell Hector that he pro I think he has on his calendar his weekly cry. Don't you? I don't don't you just schedule it? It's monthly. Yeah. I yeah, whenever I see him stressed, I'm like, have you cried this month? And Heck's like I have to fill up my Yeah. HECTOR: My twenty-five milliliter beaker of tears. GUS: Your lubes? Beaker of tears. I think that that's that's funny. And I you what's funny? You also pointed out something that I wanted to I was gonna want to talk about anyways, but you you brought it up. How how d how much happier do you feel like you are from three years ago before you started in Pan when you were still commuting when when all these things were happening, let's say three years, four years ago, do you feel like you're happier now? I think you mentioned that you you see you were still happy then. HECTOR: That's that's fine. And I you know what's funny, you you also pointed out something that I wanted to I was gonna want to talk about anyways, but you you brought it up. What? What how how how much happier do you feel like you are from three years ago before you started and when you were still commuting and when all these things were happening, let's say three years, four years ago, do you feel like you're happier now? I think you mentioned that you you s you were still happy then. GUS: Does that give you a little bit of perspective on the ambition and the the topic we were talking about? Is it kinda like a person who's happy is happy regardless? Or do you think that now that you can afford more things, go on more trips, live in a nicer place, have a a amazing girlfriend, what like that's that's that's that's the type of question that I wanted to ask 'cause I think three years ago of me, I think I might be happier now, but I'm still I'm still wanting to be even happier than I am HECTOR: Does that give you a little bit of perspective on the ambition and the the topic we were talking about? Is it kind of like a person who's happy is happy with others? Or do you think that now that you can afford more things, go on more trips, live in a nicer place, have a a amazing girlfriend, what like that's that's that's the type of question that I wanted to ask because I think three years ago or me, I think I might be happier now, but I'm still I'm still wanting to be even happier than I am. GUS: now. I don't know. HECTOR: I don't know, man. I think I was pretty happy then, man. Even without like I'm asking the wrong person. With anything. Well, no, it's not even just that. I think it's just like a a sliding scale. Like if I think if I really try to put myself in my brain from three years ago, like I was still feel I felt like a young guy then. I feel like a young guy today, filled with up shut up. Filled with opportunity and potential and like I don't know, I still see my life in GUS: I think I was pretty happy then, man. Without like I'm asking the wrong person. I think it's just like a a sliding scale. Like if I think if I really try to put myself in my brain from three years ago, like I still feel I felt like a young guy then, I feel like a young guy today, filled with thirty five opportunity and potential, and like I don't know, I still see my life in HECTOR: hopefully an upward trend. GUS: an upward trend. And so like I I think it's just a sliding scale, right? Like I I don't think I feel any more happy today than I did three years ago. I think I just still feel pretty happy. Happier. Maybe you're happy for different things. Same amount of happy but for different things. You're grateful for different things. Yeah. That you have now sure that you didn't have then. Yeah. I mean life was simpler three years ago. Yeah. That's actually responsibilities. That's what I was gonna ask you too, because the every time HECTOR: And so like I I think it's just a sliding scale, right? Like I I don't think I feel any more happy today than I did three years ago. I think I just still feel pretty happy. Happier maybe you're happy for different things. Same amount of happy but for different things. You're grateful for different things. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I mean, life was simpler three years ago. Yeah. That's actually a lot less responsibilities. That's what I was gonna ask you too, because more free time. Us as ambitious people. GUS: us as ambitious people, we're gonna get to a point in our career. Yeah during COVID. Yeah. You were you out of time. You know what? I I had a great HECTOR: gonna get to a point. Yeah during COVID. what a time dude. What a time GUS: time during COVID. I don't know if that's something I can get cancelled for, but I me personally, I don't know. I'm not speaking on anybody. I know a lot of people who were impacted by COVID. Yeah. HECTOR: Something I can get canceled for, but me personally, I don't know. I'm not speaking to anybody. I a lot of people. we lived in Florida. Yeah. Yeah, COVID barely happened over here for some reason. Don't dude, don't even say that. Wow, just kidding. that's what that's what the open opus club. I guess on on on that note then, I think of how happy I was during COVID, and I th and I think of why. Dude, I was spending time GUS: Yeah, COVID barely happened over here for some reason. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Wow. Just kidding. Please. that's what that's what the opus opus clip. I guess I'll on on that note then, I think of how happy I was during COVID. And I and I think of why. Dude, I was spending time with my family every day. I was studying the things that I cared about every day. I was hanging out with my friends, playing HECTOR: with my family every day. I was studying the things that I cared about every day. I was hanging out with my friends, playing video games every night until whatever time, because nobody cared. You got ripped up too bad back doesn't working out, dude, in the best shape of my life. and all those things made me incredibly happy. And none of those things have to do with material possessions or it any and I I could probably say that that was one of the happiest years of my entire life. GUS: video games every night until whatever time nobody cared. You got ripped up too back back in those days. Working out. Yeah. and all those things made me incredibly happy. And none of those things have to do with material possessions or it or any and I I could probably say that that was one of the happiest years of my entire life. That's awesome, man. Yeah. HECTOR: Yeah. GUS: I agree. I think the because everything was so controlled. HECTOR: Because everything was so controlled, you had to focus on the things that mattered. You know? And so I think at that point when more time with family, more time with friends, getting to hang out, getting to to do to formulate your schedule and your calendar around whatever it was that you wanted to do. You know, that just seems like in hindsight now, I guess, in hindsight, it looks like wow, like of course. And so for for ambitious people like ourselves and young professionals who are GUS: you had to focus on the things that mattered, you know? And so I think at that point when more time with family, more time with friends, getting to hang out, getting to to do to formulate your schedule and your calendar around whatever it was that you wanted to do. You know, that just seems like in hindsight now, I guess, in hindsight, it looks like wow, like of course. And so for for ambitious people like ourselves and young professionals who are gonna be very successful in our careers. HECTOR: gonna be very successful in our careers. Sometimes we want that and we will get that. But we have to understand that that comes with a trade-off. And I think that that's just yeah the responsibility and stress of being those those guys that we want to be. Because if you want to be the man or the woman, you gotta understand that that comes with a lot of pressure. I mean my dad tells me that all the time. He made it. He was happy he made it. But that came with a lot of stress. Daily, daily stress. Every time he every day he woke up GUS: Sometimes we want that and we will get that. But we have to understand that that comes with a trade-off. And I think that that's just the added responsibility and stress of being those those guys that we want to be. Because if you want to be the man or the woman, you got to understand that that comes with a lot of pressure. I mean, my dad tells me that all the time. He made it. He was happy he made it. But that came with a lot of stress. Daily, daily stress. Every time he w every day he woke up, when you're a senator, when you're a politician, you don't stop being a politician. HECTOR: When you're a senator, when you're a politician, you don't stop being a politician. You are you wake up as a politician and you have to deal with that stuff, you know? GUS: You are. You wake up as a politician and you have to deal with that stuff, you know? HECTOR: How do you manage ambition? Or how do you know when you need to manage your ambition? 'Cause for example, in the story of your dad, right, like he never regretted his ambition and it got him very far. But do you think there were times where maybe it was a little bit too much or he sacrificed some other things? I'm asking. I'm genuinely asking. GUS: need to manage your ambition. Because for example, in the story of your dad, right? Like, he never regretted his ambition and it got him very far. Do you think there were times where maybe it was a little bit too much? Or he sacrificed some other things? I'm asking. I'm genuinely asking. Yeah. that's a good question, man. I think I think you have to be able to internalize where you're at in life, right? I think being self aware is the most important part. I think my dad was very self aware. I think my dad strived to HECTOR: That's a good question, man. I think I think you have to be able to internalize where you're at in life, right? I think being self-aware is the most important part. I think my dad was very self-aware. I think my dad strived to become that person that had all that pressure on him. And once he had it, he didn't shy away from it. He knew that this is what he wanted and this is what he wants. But a lot of people aren't like him. So in my case, for example, I think that just GUS: become that person that had all that pressure on him. And once he had it, he didn't shy away from it. He knew that this is what he wanted and this is what he wants. But a lot of people aren't like him. So in my case, for example, I think that just I think stoicism has helped me a lot to to manage that. I think stoic stoics really emphasize the fact that nothing external from you matters. And everything that is internal and you can control, that's what you should focus on. And so when is HECTOR: I think stoicism has helped me a lot to to manage that. I think stol Stoics really emphasize the fact that nothing external from you matters. And everything that is internal and you can control, that's what you should focus on. And so when is too much enough? That's what an ambitious person would probably wrestle with. I think that that's where philosophy really digging into your philosophy, finding whatever philosophy you guys want. GUS: Too much enough. That's what an ambitious person would probably wrestle with. I think that that's where philosophy really digging into your philosophy, finding whatever philosophy you guys want, is gonna help you understand yourself a lot better. And if you understand yourself deeply, you'll realize that this is enough. And so Chris Williamson, one of our one of our at least one of our idols for this podcast, shout out to modern wisdom. HECTOR: is gonna help you understand yourself a lot better. If you understand yourself deeply, you'll realize that this is enough. And so Chris Williamson, one of our one of our one of our idols for this podcast, shout out to modern wisdom. GUS: He tells us the anecdote of like a fisherman who was gonna take this rich guy out on a boat and the rich guy's like, like what what are you doing this for? Like what's your business? And he's no, I just go out, I fish, I come back home, and I feed my family. And he's like, Well, why don't you turn this into like two boats or three boats? And then you can make even more money. And then you take that and you make it into a whole corporation, and you become like this huge fisherman, HECTOR: He tells us anecdote of like a fisherman who was gonna take this rich guy out of the boat and the rich guy's like, like what what are you doing this for? Like what's your business? And he's no, I just go out, I fish, I come back home and I feed my family. And he's like, Well, why don't you turn this into like two boats or three boats and then you can make even more money? And you take that and you make it into a whole corporation and you become like this huge fisherman. company and then you do that and then you take it global and then you become you know and then and and then make all this money make all this money and then he's like what what what would you do then and he's like I'd probably go on my boat fish and go back and feed my family like you know yeah yeah yeah it it's like a cycle and I think that a lot of rich people realize that after they they go through the struggles. Yeah they realize that GUS: Company. And then you do that, and then you take it global, and then you become, you know, and then and and then and he's like, make all this money. And then he's like, What what do you what would you do then? And he's like, I'd probably go on my boat, fish, and go back and feed my family. Like, you know what I mean? So, like it's like a cycle, and I think that a lot of rich people realize that after they they go through the struggles, right? They realize that ultimately what you have now internally, if it's already there for you. HECTOR: Ultimately what you have now internally, if it's already there for you, no matter how rich you get, you probably will always just circle back to that beginning where it's like, I just want to sit with my family and have dinner. Yep. It could be a mega mansion or it could be my apartment studio in Orlando. You know, it's it's for sure. That's a it's a great story. It's a beautiful story. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the the premise of understanding when enough is enough or what is enough. Because when you lose GUS: No matter how rich you get, you probably will always just circle back to that beginning stage where it's like, I just wanna sit with my family and have dinner, you know? It it could be a mega mansion or it could be my apartment studio in Orlando. You know, it's it's for sure. That's a it's a great story, it's a great perspective. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the the premise of understanding when enough is enough or what is enough. Because when you lose track of that, I think things can get very dangerous. So I think HECTOR: track of that, I think things can get very dangerous. So I think to answer the question, I think that answers the question of like when do you know that you should manage your ambition? It's I think when you lose track of when enough is enough. Because if you can understand the things that you want to achieve and then know, GUS: To answer the question, I think that answers the question of like when do you know that you should manage your ambition? It's I think when you lose track of when enough is enough. Yeah. Because if you can understand the things that you want to achieve and then know HECTOR: you know, what is enough and have a a good understanding of what that is and what that looks like, then, you know, you'll never take that for granted and you'll always be able to be grateful. GUS: you know, what is enough and have a a good understanding of what that is and what that looks like, then, you know, you'll never take that for granted and you'll always be able to be grateful for, you know, for example, in this fisherman's life, being able to just go out and fish and but come back home as well. Even if that even after that whole story and retiring after doing all that, that's the Yeah, what are you gonna do when you retire? I'm gonna go home. Have I gonna go get on my boat, fish, come home to my own family. That's that's so much perspective, dude. HECTOR: For, you know, for example, in this fisherman's life, being able to just go out and fish and but come back home as well. Even if that even after that whole story and retiring after doing all that, that's the outcome. What are you gonna do when you retire? Yeah. Fish? Yeah. That's so much perspective, dude. GUS: And and I was thinking about that. I was gonna ask you like what this year or last year, what d can you pinpoint a time HECTOR: And and I was thinking about that. I was gonna ask you, like, what this year or last year, what did can you pinpoint a time? GUS: or just an event or some or a week or whatever in your life where you felt happy? Like can you like do you have one in mind that you could think of like, man, that was a really good week for me or a really good day for me or or whatever. Do do you have one in mind? Yeah, I actually I think the the most recent time HECTOR: Just an event or something or a week or whatever in your life where you felt happy. Like can you like do you have one in mind that you can think of like, man, that was a really good week for me, or a really good day for me. Or whatever. Do you do you have one in mind? Yeah, I actually I think the the most recent time that I experienced you ever just experienced like just like a wave of I don't know, positive emotion and gratitude. Is that ever happened to you? Mm-hmm. Well, the most recent time was probably like GUS: that I experien you ever just experienced like just like a wave of I don't know positive emotion and gratitudes that are happening? Well, the most recent time was probably like maybe HECTOR: Maybe a year ago, I think, and I don't remember the cause, but I do remember that I was getting on I four, GUS: a year ago, I think. And I don't remember the cost, but I do remember that I was getting on I four. HECTOR: the sun was setting, the sky was like orange and pink. I had the windows just cracked a little bit to like feel the fresh air. I had a song that I l I can I can't remember that song. I that's unfortunate. I wish I could call it out right now. The song came on and I'm just like pumped. My heart starts racing. I'm like, GUS: The sun was setting, the sky was like orange and pink. I had the windows just cracked a little bit to like feel the fresh air. I had a song that I lost I can't remember that song. I know. That's unfortunate. I wish I could call it out right now. The song came on and I'm just like pumped. My heart starts racing. I'm like. HECTOR: yeah, like life is good, man. Like everything's just amazing. GUS: Yeah, like life is good, man. Like everything's just amazing. And I remember like thinking like, let's go, bro. Like this is this feels so good. I'm so happy about all this. I went and I texted my mom. I texted and my sister and we were in the chat. And then I texted my friend chat and I was like, man, I'm having just like the most amazing day. And it had nothing to do with like like it wasn't like we had just closed a deal or something had just happened or like I don't know, somebody said like somebody called me about something. I don't know, it HECTOR: And I remember like thinking, like, let's go, bro. Like this is this feels so good. I'm so happy about all this. I went and I texted my mom. I texted and my sister and we're in a group chat. And then I texted my friend chat and I was like, Man, I'm having just like the most amazing day. And it had nothing to do with like like it wasn't like we had just closed a deal or something had just happened or like I don't know, somebody said like somebody called me about something. I don't know. It just happened. It was something as simple as the sun setting at the right time. GUS: happen. It was something as simple as the sun setting at the right time, think being grateful for all the good things that you know life has to offer. It was internal. It wasn't external. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fully internal. Yeah. And think that's I think that's the point. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. That's great. Yeah me? Yeah. Dude, you know when I was thinking about this question when I was gonna just think about it when we were discussing this topic, I wanted to go back and say, it was when I closed Dover. Or HECTOR: think being grateful for all the good things that you know life has to offer a good song. It was just fully internal. And I think that's I think that's the point. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. That's great. You? me? Yeah. Dude, you know when I was thinking about this question when I was gonna just think about it when we were discussing this topic, I wanted to go back and say, it was when I closed Dover. Mm. Or GUS: Or cut road. Mm-hmm. And then I was like, No. It was HECTOR: or Cut and Road. Mm-hmm. And then I was like, no. It was GUS: it was s it seemed like a pretty normal day. And then I thought about it. I'm like, was it when we were in Vermont? Was it when we were in Miami? Was it when we were and I was like, No, I think HECTOR: It was s it seemed like a pretty normal day. And then I thought about it, I'm like, was it when we were in Vermont? Was it when we were in Miami? Was it when we were and I was like, no, I think GUS: I'll I'll I'll say a couple. One of the times was when I was with my parents in Puerto Rico and we were just eating out of Lechoneta and my dad's just talking to me about how just proud he was like that I'm doing my thing and my step my stepmot T T shout out T T. she's just always happy to be around me, doesn't matter what the situation is. So we were we were just together and it just felt like my childhood all over again. And I needed that. That was that was the time of my life where I needed just HECTOR: I'll I'll I'll say a couple. One of the times was when I was with my parents in Puerto Rico and we were just eating out of Lecho Meta and my dad's just talking to me about how just proud he was, like that I'm doing my thing and my ste my step on T T shout out T T. she's just always happy to be around me, doesn't matter what the situation is. We were we were just together and just felt like my childhood all over again. Yeah. And I needed that. That was that was the time of my life where I needed just GUS: Love, you know what I Support love and support, yeah. And I think being by myself out here in Orlando a little bit tough. I have my mom and I love my mom to death. and I you know, I I feel like I support my mom a lot too and we we have a good time. But you know, it's just being around your family members, I think that those are the best points. And then I felt it again at EDC with you, Mike and Delaney. and Dania. Goes down to people. That's what I was gonna g that's that's where I'm going. HECTOR: Love. Love and support. Love and support, yeah. And I think being by myself out here in Orlando is a little bit tough. I my mom and I love my mom to death. and I you know, I I feel like I support my mom a lot too and we we have a good time. But you know, it's just being around your family members. I think that those are the best points. And then I felt it again at EDC with you, Mike and Delaney. and Tanya. Goes down to people. That's what I was gonna Yeah that's where I'm gonna 'cause the deals won't do it. GUS: The deals won't do it. Actually I get sad when the deal closes, you know, because it you're just gonna have to go out. HECTOR: Actually I get sad when the deal closes, you know, because it you're just gonna have to go out and do it again. Right. Yeah, no, I think I thought that closing a seven million dollar portfolio deal in Houston would be the most ecstatic I've ever been. It was my first deal. Yeah. I saw the I saw the check come in. I think you were even more excited when like the opportunity was present. Right. Like the actual closing itself isn't Yeah, it's not as satisfying. And and so then I I thought about it and I'm like, what made me happy? GUS: Do again? Right. Yeah, no, I think I thought that closing a seven million dollar portfolio deal in Houston would be the most ecstatic I've ever been. It was my first deal. My first one. I saw the I saw the check come in. I think you were even more excited when like the opportunity was present. Right. Like the actual closing itself isn't Yeah, it's not satisfying. And and so then I I thought about it and I'm like, what made me happy after I closed Cuton was calling my dad and saying, Dad, I closed Cutton. Yeah. That HECTOR: After I closed Cutton was calling my dad and saying, Dad, I closed Cutton. Yeah, yeah. That that made me happy. Nice. He was just like, Awesome, man. Like that's some good stuff. Once the next one goes the next one going like yeah, I know, I I know. Yeah, my dad is that's just his his his love language. But but yeah, being with you, Mike and Dania and Delaney, and it was just us at EDC for a while just dancing and just hugging each other and just it we f I felt like I didn't want that that night to end. GUS: That made me happy. He was just like, Awesome man. Like that's some good stuff. When's the next one going? Yeah. My dad, yeah, my dad is that's just his his his love language. But but yeah, being with you, Mike and Dania and Delaney and it was just us at EDC for a while just dancing and just hugging each other and just it we f I felt like I didn't want that that night to end. HECTOR: Yeah. And it ended at twelve for some reason. Yeah, I know. Ridiculous. Ridiculous, but It brought me to a point where I was like I felt like everything was gonna be alright. And maybe it's because I needed it, or maybe it was because that's just the moments in life that you cherish the most. Yeah. I read this quote that said that nobody remembers how rich you were, how how big your house was, how many cars you had. GUS: And it ended at twelve for some reason. Ridiculous. But it brought me to a point where I was like, I felt like everything was gonna be all right. And maybe it's because I needed it, or maybe it was because that's just the moments in life that you cherish the most. I read this quote that said that nobody remembers how rich you were, how how big your house was, how many cars you had. They'll always remember how you made them feel. HECTOR: They'll always remember how you made them feel. GUS: And that goes down to people. I think as a species, we've evolved to be a tribe. I think HECTOR: And that goes down to people. I think as a species, we've evolved to be a tribe. I think GUS: the the fear and the regrets and the embarrassment that we feel as human beings in our modern age come from like thirty thousand years ago when being kicked out of your tribe would be the worst thing for your survival. And I think that we still are biologically programmed to be those type of human beings. And so nowadays it's more like all embarrassment. HECTOR: the the fear and the regrets and the embarrassment that we feel as human beings in our modern age come from like thirty thousand years ago when being kicked out of your tribe would be the worst thing for your survival. And I think that we still are biologically programmed to be those type of human beings. And so nowadays it's more like all embarrassment in public or public speaking and getting embarrassed or these these little things that you think are human but you don't understand why they're human. And the book Sapiens, shout out to Juvo GUS: in public or public speaking and getting embarrassed or these these little things that you think are human but you don't understand why they're human. And the book Sapiens, shout out to Juvald, HECTOR: Oof, amazing. That's one of the greatest books I've ever read. If you want to understand what human beings are about, please watch. Please read that book. Yeah. GUS: Dr. Harari, that's one of the greatest books I've ever read. If you want to understand what human beings are about, please watch, please read that book. Yeah. but anyways, I I I learned from that book that that's just the reason why we we behave a certain way now because of thirty thousand years of programming. And so ultimately the happiest moments of my life are all HECTOR: But anyways, I I I learned from that book that that's just the reason why we we behave a certain way now because of thirty thousand years of programming. Yep. And so ultimately the happiest moments of my life are all surrounded and based around people. Yep. And my best friends, my family, my parents. I want I'm happy when we're all happy together. Yep. And I think that that a lot of people miss that. Like some people will ruin a relationship with a family member or will GUS: surrounded and based around people. And my best friends, my family, my parents, I want I'm happy when we're all happy together. And I think that a lot of people miss that like some people will ruin a relationship with a family member or will never be home and watch their kids grow up just because they're chasing the CEO job or another million dollars. And then they come yeah, they come to realize that once they have that it's like, man, I have nobody around to that gives a gives a fuck for HECTOR: never be home and watch their kids grow up just because they're chasing a CEO job or another million dollars. For what? Yeah, they come to realize that once they have that, it's like, man, I have nobody around to that gives up gives a fuck. Yeah. No, dude. So well very, very well said. And I think with that it's like whatever ambition you do have should be centered around then like building and nurturing those relationships. Like GUS: So well very, very well said. And I think with that it's like whatever ambition you do have should be centered around then like building and nurturing those relationships. Like ha be ambitious about building a company that allows you to so that you can spend more time with your family. So that you can do that thing that genuinely will make you happy rather than like you know, the the dark side of ambition that we talked about. Yeah. This this is what I feel about this podcast, by the way. Well I think that HECTOR: Hap be ambitious about building a company that allows you to so that you can spend more time with your family. So that you can do that thing that genuinely will make you happy rather than like you know the the dark side of ambition like we talked about. Yeah. This this is what I feel about this podcast, the way. What? I think that and I guess I'll ask you this question, but if money wasn't a thing for me right now GUS: And I guess I'll ask you this question, but if money wasn't a thing for me right now If I had to choose what I would do every day of my life, it would probably be sit here and talk to you and try to grow this thing to to the max. Maybe Yeah, maybe this is just why maybe that's the reason why we're doing it. But ultimately I think that Because this is not work. You know what I mean? That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. Just a great conversation about life, our feelings, our goals. Yeah. How we feel about our ambition. Yeah. We've said this before. If HECTOR: If I had to choose what I would do every day of my life, it would probably be sit here and talk you and try to grow this thing to to the max. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, maybe this is just why maybe that's the reason why we're doing it. Yeah. But ultimately I think that this is not work. You know what I mean? Like that's cool. That's cool. We're literally just do we're having a just a great conversation about life, our feelings, our goals. Yeah. How we feel about your ambition. Yeah. We've said this before. If GUS: money wasn't a thing what we would do. I think Hector and I would be writers for SNL. dude, that'd be so fun. Dude, just skits. Just just funny things that we could just because I think our whole life is based around those mini skits. I think everything that everything that happens in our life we turn it into a an S N L skit. So that would be great. You know what an amazing job. What HECTOR: dude, that'd be so fun. Just skits? Just skits. Just funny things that we could just because I think our whole life is based around mini skits. Everything that everything that happens in our life we turn into a an SML skit. So that would be great. What an amazing job. GUS: an amazing job, yeah. I think that we are at a point where HECTOR: I think that we are at a point where did the camera go off? This is this is fun, this is nice, not I don't know. Let's roll with the punches, guys. we are having some technical difficulties for the first time live on air. Yep. This is great. I think that we can pursue a nice soft landing here. Yep. GUS: Did the camera go off? Hold on. This is this is fun. This is nice. No no. Let's let's roll with the punches, guys. we are having some technical difficulties for the first time live on air. Yep. This is great. I think that we can pursue a nice soft landing here. Yep. HECTOR: If you would if you if you agree with me. Let's do it. GUS: If you would if you if you agree with me. Let's do it. HECTOR: the next I guess I guess we'll end it by saying this. the next couple months we're building something together, which is this podcast. Yep. We're building something together in our careers and in our professional world and and personal lives. Personal lives. Socially. Socially. So on air I guess I'll say that, you know, I GUS: The next I guess I guess we'll end it by saying this. the next couple months we're building something together, which is this podcast. We're building something together in our careers and in our professional world and and personal lives. Yeah. Socially. Socially. So on air, I guess I'll say that you know, I I hope that everybody who's listening and I hope that HECTOR: I hope that everybody who's listening and I hope that if I if I can leave anybody with this, with anything, it would be to make sure that you always emphasize you always balance your ambition with everything you currently have and just be grateful for it. Just balance ambition and gratitude, please, because GUS: If I if I can leave anybody with this, with anything, it would be to make sure that you always emphasize you always balance your ambition with everything you currently have and just be grateful for it. Just balance ambition and gratitude, please, because that's the balance that you need to achieve to feel happy every single day of your life. Wake up and say, I'm doing this for more and I want more. But HECTOR: That's the balance that you need to achieve to feel happy every single day of your life. Wake up and say, I'm doing this for more and I want more but go to sleep and say, Thank God for everything I have. Thank God for this hell, thank God for this body, thank God for this life. Thank God for everything. And if you can't find something to be grateful for, that's that should be your next mission in life. Find it. Find it right now and I promise you your life will be better. GUS: Go to sleep and say, Thank God for everything I have. Thank God for this health. Thank God for this body. Thank God for this life. Thank God for everything. And if you can't find something to be grateful for, that's that should be your next mission in life. Find it. Find it right now and I promise you your life will be better. HECTOR: Dude, I can I ha I can't follow up that. That's that's beautiful, man. Well said. Thank you. All right guys, well GUS: Thank you. Thank you. All right, guys. Well, we're gonna figure out what happened with the technical issues, but man, this huh? Thank you for getting this part in the podcast. If you're listening and you found it entertaining, I mean that's that's all we can ask for. That's the point, man. HECTOR: we're gonna figure out what happened with the technical issues, but man Thank you Huh Thank you for getting this far in the podcast if you're listening and you found it entertaining. I mean that's that's all we can ask for. That's the point, man. Yeah. That's the point. We're learning alongside you. We this this podcast was good because we this is more opinion-based, so we don't really have to quote or cite sources. We we really were just speaking from from our experience and our in our heart. GUS: That's the point. We're learning alongside you. We this this podcast was good because we this is more opinion based. So we didn't really have to quote or cite sources. We we really were just speaking from from our experience and our in our heart. And Hector and I are just here to to do that alongside you guys. So thank you. Thank you very much for listening. we love you guys. We hope to keep talking to you guys for the rest of our lives if if that's what it takes. Heck, love you, brother. Love you too, man. Let's get it going, man. HECTOR: And Hector and I are just here to to do that alongside you guys. So thank you. Thank you very much for listening. we love you guys. We hope to keep talking to you guys for the rest of our lives. If that's what it takes. Let's do it. Heck, love you, brother. Love you too, man. Good stuff. Let's get it going, man. Thanks for coming to the Growth Trip Podcast. Cuss and heck. Out. GUS: Thanks for coming to the Growth Trip Podcast. Gassin Heck. Out. HECTOR: Nice.